4 Reasons Heathens Hate Lokeans: By a Lokean

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Sacred Iceland will be back to you shortly after this special bulletin, which I fear is going to piss off a lot of people, but I want to say anyway, so please make sure your sense of humor is turned on.

Before too many anti-Loki people jump to “like” this article, and too may pro-Loki people start furiously typing an angry complaint letter to me over its title, let me quickly clarify my stance: I LOVE Loki. I have been a devout Loki worshipper since about 1994, and it was my love for Loki that brought me into Heathenry in the first place. I also love my Heathen community (I’ve been a Troth member since 2006), and have many friends therein of many various theological opinions. It is because I love these two parts of my life that I have grown increasingly concerned with how the definition of “Lokean” (a term that only meant a devotee of Loki back in the “old days”) has mutated into something I can barely relate to anymore and likewise has become a term filled with increasingly more disdain (though not for the reasons you’re probably thinking).

It’s absolutely true that somewhere in American Heathenry’s history, Loki somehow become saddled with the reputation of being the Norse Satan (much to the confusion of the Heathens here in Iceland, and to scholars of Norse Mythology who are well aware that Loki’s demonization in Snorra Edda was probably not pre-Christian). However, in my experience many of my Heathen friend’s complaints about Lokeans really have very little to do with Loki himself, and more with the strange subculture that has arisen around the word “Lokean”, and sadly Lokeans are starting to come off to heathens as (for lack of a better term) “whack jobs”. As a concerned worshipper of Loki and a self-identified Heathen, who would not like to see yet more reasons invented for Loki to be shamed, I’ve decided to compile a list of the REAL complaints about Lokeans that I hear most often from heathens, which overlap with ideas about Loki that have become more prominent in the Lokean community as of late:

1) “Loki is a ‘Rökkrtrú’ god!

The term Rökkrtrú is one that was coined by an associate of Raven Kaldera’s to refer to the beings most strongly associated with Snorra Edda’s and Völuspá’s depiction of the end of the world, who in their cosmology are also the gods of the Jötunn race. Immediately, I hated the word Rökkrtrú, as I (and most scholars, including Turville-Petre and Christopher Abram) personally see Völuspá as a piece that contains many Medieval Christian ideas about the end of the world that were rampant around 1000 CE, and I believe that the death of all the gods therein (who I believe cannot die) was simply part of the conversion narrative. Associating Loki with a term such as ´Rökkrtrú’ is thus placing even more undeserved stigma upon him and placing him in the role of the one who “doomed the gods”, even though the doom of the gods was probably not a pre-Christian element to that story. But that isn’t my main grievance with Rökkrtrú.

Please note, that I have never met the leaders of the Northern Tradition in person, and do not have any personal grievances with them. For all I know they too might have noticed the trend I’m about to share. They are, however, the leaders of a group who is more interested in using UPG rather than referring to scholarship in the building of their spiritual cosmology. Again, I see no problem there. Spirituality is and should be a personal thing. Unfortunately, the “anything goes”, “all UPG is a valid platform for religion” philosophy that is born out such spirituality is both it’s greatest strength and it’s greatest curse, and quite a few… unusual ideas have been born from it. And because Rökkrtrú is one of the only places that Lokeans now believe they have a safe-haven (and that’s on you too Heathenry, you’ve helped to create this monster) the word “Lokean” has become a synonym for “ Rökkrtrú”, and “ Rökkrtrú” has become a synonym for “Loki lives in my magic dildo”.

That’s right, the craziest thing about Rökkrtrú is that it has somehow become mixed up with anything and everything under the sun that can be combined with Loki and the Norse gods, and in such a way that there is very little quality control. You are just as likely to find someone that identifies as Rökkrtrú who is an educated person with average worship practices, as you are to find someone who has dedicated themselves as Fenrir’s personal ball-gag wearing, transexual princess bride, who has a magical set of anal beads that they wear every full moon in Fenrir’s honor (and Fenrir, in human form, looks exactly like Auron from Final Fantasy X by the way). These practices by themselves are pretty harmless in my opinion (to each their own), but when there is an entire blog promoting Rökkrtrú AND describing the Fenrir Anal Bead Ritual in full detail alongside it as if everyone should take your anal-religious experiences seriously and with reverence, you can’t be surprised or outraged when people in the Heathen community might raise their eyebrows and hold the rest of the tradition (and those they associate with it) in suspicion from there on out. You also shouldn’t be offended that they may not want the non-Pagan world to assume that this kind of worship is the norm for all Norse Pagans, since that’s some pretty hefty ammunition if anyone wants to make us out to look weird. Even if you aren’t promoting it as such, that’s never stopped the media from over-exaggerating.

Perhaps because Loki worshippers have received quite a bit of grief from the Heathen community over the years, this has us (rather ironically, considering who our god is) afraid to call BS on some of these more outrageous people, because we don’t want to make anyone feel unwanted. This allows for a very open-minded community, but that is (as I stated above) a double-edged sword. Sadly, the assimilation of Lokean, Northern Tradition, and Rökkrtrú has therefore made heathens think that the Lokeans and the people who keep a magical dildo for Loki in their nightstand, are always one in the same.

2) Loki loves sister-wives!

This grievance is riding on the coat-tails of the previous one. Perhaps due to the “you must respect everyone’s UPG no matter what” clause crashing head-on like a runaway train into the popularity of the Marvel “Thor” movie, a greater subculture within Loki worshippers has arisen: The “Loki spouses”. God-spouses (a term which has come to mean someone who has actually married a Norse god and resembling the concept Maraj Lwa in Hatian Vodou) were not a common thing when I first started practicing Heathenry. I knew that Freya Aswynn was dedicated to Óðinn in this way, and it really didn’t seem that strange to me in practice, as what this really seemed to be was a personal dedication of hard-work and priesthood for a god or goddess and their community. That in itself seemed like a worthy cause to me, if the person in question was suited to that calling. But as more and more people began to write about it, it seemed that more people were suddenly beginning to call themselves “god-spouses”. Again, no problems here. Maybe the gods like that, or some people need that, or some people need to serve that purpose for their communities. But ever since the Thor movie came out, I would venture to guess that about 75% of self-proclaimed Lokeans are now also coincidentally his “god-spouse”.

Before I examine that, I would like to point out, that in the cultures in which God Marriage took place (or still does take place) there is always a specific goal that this marriage fulfills. In Ögmundar þáttr dytts ok Gunnars helmings, the Nordic source which is most often cited in regards to God Marriage, a priestess of Freyr rides in a wagon with an image of Freyr, and it seems apparent that her presence on the wagon as his wife was needed in order for their energies to mingle and to bless the land with fertility. So in other words, she wasn’t married to Freyr “just because”, she was a priestess of Freyr who actually had a service to perform for her community as Freyr’s wife. I personally believe that in an ideal situation, all “god spouses” of various deities would perform a similar function for their communities: not just to use the title as a bragging right, but to actually do something useful with that connection.

In Maraj Lwa, in which a Lwa will ask a human to marry them and go through with a physical wedding, the marriage serves the function of giving that person some extra energy and help in their lives in the areas in which that Lwa effects. It’s also common for more than one Lwa to marry a person at a time to make sure that all of their energies help to keep the human’s life balanced. There are also some pretty strict rules that come with Maraj Lwa: often the human has to abstain from sex on a particular day that is specifically set aside for their Lwa spouse, and there may be other taboos attached to such a commitment. But again, this ritual serves a very specific purpose in the Lwa deciding what energies a person needs to grow and thrive (and they may not necessarily be the Lwa that the human in question likes the most). Like the Norse example, this also gives the human spouse more ritual/social responsibility to their Lwa partner/s.

Going back to our Loki spouses, in most cases it has been very difficult for me to identify what the purpose of these unions are, outside of serving the spouse’s own ego and giving them full right to shamelessly indulge in their wet dreams about Tom Hiddl- er… I mean Loki. I don’t mean to discriminate against lonely young women by observing that most recent Loki spouses tend to be lonely young women, but really, I have to call a spade a spade; and it seems that their formula for becoming a Loki spouse was:

1. Saw the Thor movie.

2. Thought Loki was hot.

3. Read online that you can marry Loki and there’s a community of people that take it seriously.

4. Has “vision” where Loki tells them to marry them immediately afterwards

5. Marries Loki.

6. Makes a new Tumblr account in honor of the event.

This sister-wives culture has been careening out of control lately, where Loki god-spouses are actually beginning to bicker about who Loki thinks is the prettiest, how Loki always comes to them in visions to give them flowers and chocolate, and how they desperately need a reading to tell them why Loki is mad with them if he didn’t hold their hand long enough that day. But if anyone tries to suggest that this makes them look rather silly, or perhaps that worshipping Loki in the form of Marvel!Loki may not be a sign of a serious religious practice, they tend to bristle and point out that no one has the right to tell them their UPG my be slightly skewed or everyone’s UPG must be held as suspect. However, I feel it isn’t really justified to be upset that people aren’t taking your religion seriously, when your “religion” revolves around posting up half-naked pictures of Tom Hiddleston all over Facebook and showing off the pile of hand-sewn plushies of your kawaii husband Loki that you sleep in every night. It’s also frustrating to me that people have spent so much time defending their right to be called god spouses, that nobody has ever bothered to ask what a god spouse is actually supposed to do (aside from make Tumblr shrines to Loki on which to share their romantic adventures and failures with other swooning god spouses). Much like the “Fenrir Anal Bead” crowd, the “I married Marvel!Loki” crowd is beginning to be synonymous with the word “Lokean”, and only to our detriment.

3) “All Ásatrúar hate Loki and will never accept us, so Ásatrú sucks!”  

My brother has a saying that I personally love and try to live my life by: “There are no victims, there are only volunteers”. That obviously doesn’t mean that people are never needlessly victimized at the hands of others or they were just asking for it. What that saying means is, if you are in a social situation or a life situation which is hard, or maybe making you feel defeated or like an outsider, there are two ways to go about it. You can either act like a victim in the “woe is me!” kind of way and give up, or you can refuse to act like a victim, pick yourself up, and persevere with pride. This is nothing more than a simple shifting of consciousness. This is the attitude I as a Loki worshipper have taken within the heathen community, and with what I consider to be great success. I have never apologized for loving Loki, and if I meet someone who doesn’t like Loki, I allow them to have their beliefs about him without needing to compromise my own, and we all get along fine. If I’m in the hall of a stranger or friend that doesn’t want Loki hailed and has requested this in a reasonable way, I respect the rules of their hall (it is their hall after all) without acting grossly offended to show of my piousness. Instead, I might make a compromise such as, “can I pour out Loki’s portion for him when we’re done”. I act with tact but don’t act as if I shouldn’t be there, and when I’ve done that in the past, something AMAZING has happened: they show me and my right to my beliefs respect, because I gave their beliefs respect first. We may not agree, but we don’t need to be at each-other’s throats either. Likewise, when we’re in my hall, I make it very clear that Loki will be honored no matter what, so I let them know ahead of time and they can choose to either participate or not. No surprises, everyone’s satisfied. Naturally, I cannot speak for every Heathen community out there, but within the Troth this has been my experience.

Because I’ve never had any huge problems within my community by following this philosophy, I am often confused by the many, many, MANY complaints I hear from other Lokeans about being shunned by the Heathen community, unfair treatment, and getting into wars with people that I personally found to be quite agreeable in my own circles. While completely sympathizing with their belief that Loki should be included in his own pantheon and that his bad-press is largely of post-Christian origin, I began wondering if these horror stories were floating around because these people had been Lokeans, or if it had been because of the way in which they had conducted themselves. The paranoia within the Lokean community (which, I would still like to point out, didn’t come from nowhere) that you will be outcast simply by being Lokean has created a knee-jerk reaction in the Lokean community to anyone saying anything even partially negative about Loki, to the point where I saw some fights going on over statements that I personally didn’t think were that big a deal, or were being misunderstood due to the Lokean expecting the worst. I have also seen a determinedly stubborn stance by many current Lokeans that they will never set foot in a hall where Loki is not welcome also, and while I can sympathize with their feelings, see this as giving absolutely no opportunity for people to get to know you as a person. I don’t think the goal in meeting people of different ideologies is to convert people into Loki worshippers; the goal is to show that we can get along even if we don’t agree, and we don’t need to be fighting like extremest Christians and Muslims every time we set foot in a room together. Alienating yourself insures others that you are consenting to your alienation, and what on the outside may look like a pious stand to defend Loki’s honor may actually have to do more with your own ego and fear of confrontation than it does with changing views about Loki. Of course you should use common sense and shouldn’t put yourself in a position where you are being genuinely threatened or feel unsafe, but I don’t think that hiding from people out of fear that they might reject you is the answer.

The sense of Lokean martyrdom has grown so big, that even new Lokeans that have never set foot in the Heathen community are terrified to even try because of the insistence of older Lokeans that we are automatically ostracized (when for all they know, this Lokean sage might just have crappy people skills, but blames their affection for Loki instead). So the newbies consent to being victimized by Heathens even before it’s happened. This really hit home for me the other day, when I saw an article by another Lokean, encouraging all Loki-inclined people to stay away from the Troth’s clergy program, since they are prejudice and will never take you in (seemingly ignorant of the fact that at the moment, one of the only people in the Troth’s clergy program, i.e. myself, is a Lokean!). This sense of defeat can turn into a self-fulfilling prophecy, and can easily snowball into a martyr syndrome where one’s sense of identity actually comes from the image of yourself (and thus of Loki) as the unwanted outsider, and everyone else as mindless bullies. To that I say, BS. I won’t act ashamed of loving Loki, I won’t act like a victim, and I’m going to respect the shit out of everyone’s right to their beliefs while I do it, since Loki has taught me not to be afraid to live my truth, and to encourage others to live theirs. I think that it would help our image as Lokeans if we could let go of our image as victims first, because this is where our reputation for being “overly sensitive whiners” has come from.

4) “Loki is the god of chaos!”

I see the word “chaos” slung about Loki discussions very often without much regard to what this word is actually supposed to mean. I wouldn’t personally classify Loki as the god of “chaos” per say, unless you’re talking about chaos as a state of endless possibilities. You’re never quite sure what Loki’s going to do, and one little action of his will often start a completely unpredictable chain of event (such as cutting off Sif’s hair leading to Þórr gaining his most powerful weapon), much like the famous Butterfly Effect. But most people’s definition of chaos is a very vague overlay of something to do with destruction, mayhem, disruption of order/authority, and probably Fight Club; in other words, an angry teenager’s wet dream. Because Loki has been so frequently associated with this less solid definition of “chaos”, people who are attracted to that idea of chaos also seem inevitably attracted to Loki at some point in their lives. Rather than examining Loki as a very complicated and multifaceted figure, who is not by his nature always chaotic, they enjoy associating themselves with the darker aspects of Loki because it proves that they are “edgy” people. Following in the footsteps of the Marvel!Loki god-spouses, perhaps they really just want to worship the Joker from The Dark Knight or Tyler Durden, and Loki was the next best thing in their minds. In other words, their supposed devotion to Loki has more to do with their own ego and self-presentation than it actually does with who Loki is.

Loki being perpetuated as a chaos god has almost turned into some kind of crazy snake eating its own tail: People who like chaos become attracted to Loki because they see him as chaotic, and because chaos enthusiasts flock to Loki, Heathens think Loki must be the god of chaos to attract all those chaos lovers. In my mind, this would be the same as people converting to Christianity because they have a fetish for body piercing and to them Jesus is the perfect personification of body piercing (though they don’t really care to learn the underlying symbolism in the crucifixion itself) and as a result other people start assuming Jesus the “god of body piercing”. It’s a vicious circle, in which some dorky chaos-kids in leather pants have helped to solidify the connection between Lokeans and Youtube videos of gothic anime characters set to industrial music forever. Some people just want to watch the world burn.

Conclusion: 

I have laid out some of the most common complaints about Lokeans that I hear from the Heathen community, and as you have seen, very little of our bad reputation actually has much to do with Loki himself. That isn’t of course to say that I don’t think that Heathenry has a long way to go in learning how to play nicely with others, most especially ourselves. However, I think these are many of the stereotypes interested Lokeans should (in Loki-fashion) challenge and transform if we ever expect to be viewed by the greater community as more than just “those whiny, overly-sensitive, black-wearing, dildo-loving, Marvel!Loki-marrying nut-jobs”.
And lastly, to the Heathen community, please don’t assume that all people in all religious groups are the same, and don’t be scared to give people a chance and judge them as a person before you judge them for their beliefs. Everyone starts somewhere, even if that somewhere is a little odd.

51 responses to “4 Reasons Heathens Hate Lokeans: By a Lokean

  1. Very interesting. I’ve thought of Loki as a trickster god. Mischievous. My patron is Heimdal and sometimes it is good to see the other side of things. Good article; I shall follow it.

  2. I encountered anti-Loki perspectives long before the Thor movie or even knowing who Raven Kaldera was. I was even part of some of it. I would agree that things like tumblr make it seem a lot more trendy and prevalent but I never really see most of that. As to chaos, I have heard that for years and no longer quite agree with what I believed years ago. I guess I just ran into people who seemed to like rebellion for its own sake.

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  4. This is an excellent piece. I very much appreciate anyone who can stand tall and stand up for themselves without knocking others over, and you are excellent at presenting disagreements with others with respect and grace.

    In general, a thousand times yes. I have a lot of respect for Kaldera, mind you, but I understand where you’re coming from on your first point.

    On your second point, I have to say that the idea of Loki’s sister-wives arguing over who is the most beautiful of all – don’t you think he might get a kick out of that?

    I am not a Lokean. To be honest, he makes me a touch nervous, but at the same time I don’t think that that is inappropriate. Anyone who was to respect my traditions in my hall and worship him while maintaining that respect would be welcome in my home.

    I applaud this post! Hear, hear!

  5. I should point out that it wasn’t Raven, or anybody calling themselves a “Northern Tradition Pagan” (which I myself am not, not really) who coined the “Rokkr” term — it was Abby Helasdottir, who lives in New Zealand. I don’t know if Raven himself came up with “Rokkatru” or not, but credit for the original term for a specific group of Jotnar should probably go to Abby, who has been doing her own particular thing for years.

  6. It seems like the type of god-spouse culture mentioned here is dangerously similar to the waifu culture with weaboos…

  7. This was fabulous! I am very impressed & will take away a lot of lessons from it, particularly in how I deal with ‘challenging & transforming’ the erroneous beliefs that (may) come at me if/when mention of Loki arrises. I’ve been a Loki ‘fan’ since discovering D’Aulaires’ -Book of Norse Gods and Giants- as a child (despite the fact that it is based upon the post-Christianised/Snorri material… I also used to read Marvel’s ‘Mighty Thor’ comics and quit by age 8 because of the way Loki was depicted, which even at that tender age I found extraordinarily disrespectful). I am fairly new to the whole concept of Asatru, having spent my young adulthood in a very ecclectic Pagan community that seemed to contain everything but that. Thanks you for writing this piece. Best of luck to you. Una

  8. Thank you so much for this post. Were not all nut jobs. Some of us just see the wisdom in Lokis actions. Change is constant and through out the lore we often see Loki being the cattylist for the much needed change. Also, people seem to forget his relation ship with his wifes and children. Obviously he is not evil, he knows what love is, but no being is infallible. I think I feel closest to him because my parents passed away when i was young and he’s been like a big brother, or concerned uncle. My own family wouldn’t take me because they felt I was defective. I was sen half way across the country to live with people I didn’t even know. I wasn’t alwayse treated well, a lot of times if I didn’t do a math problem correctly I was tossed across the room by my gaurdian (foster parent). I didn’t know it at the time, but Loki was looking out for me. At least that’s how I feel looking back now. My entire life has been one change after another, and it will probably continue to be thus. I know everthing that has happened has made me a stronger man today. And I’ve had to take a deep look at myself and see the things I need to change. As we all know, you can lie to others, but it is to your own detriment to lie t o yourself.

  9. Fascinating, thank you for posting. I am not dedicated to the way of the Norse, though I respect it; but on two occasions when I have been ‘trapped,’ Loki has turned up in my meditations as a helpful influence. He’s very interesting. The stuff that goes on in some of these communities is not.

  10. Excellent Article – I find it peculiar that you refer to yourself as heathen – isn’t that a word used to descibe people of another religion, that you believe is worth less than your own?

    Asetro/asatrue migth be the more dignified term. As pagan also seems to have sort of a less social value.

    But either way, its awesome that the old gods are still discussed and looked at from all angles.

  11. As a solitaire, I couldnt agree more with some of your points, and I found the rest highly educational of the community Ive largely avoided- small towns, nothing but solitaires it seems- because of geography. He is an important aspect of change in the loyalty and honor systems of the aesir, and its nice to know that there are people who worship him in a sensible manner, not just… tumblrites.

    *bows* Thank you for this article.

  12. This is overall a wonderful and much-needed article. Just as a tiny point of fact though, not all “godspouses” are dedicated to Norse gods; it only seems that way, given the preponderance of us on the internet. (My partner is married to Poseidon, for example.) I dislike the term myself, no matter who coined it, and use it only because it’s the most easily recognizable one. It didn’t exist back when I took sacred marriage vows to Odin in 2002; Aswynn was the only other person I knew about who had taken similar vows back then, so as it wasn’t yet a trend a special term wasn’t yet needed.

  13. Reblogged this on Ki's Lokean Adventures and commented:
    First of all, I love the etymology of Rokkatru presented here. I love the amount of thought and work that went into most of this piece. The historian in me has giggle fits when people refer to historical documentation and all manner of things that remind me of long nights in libraries.

    This being said, I hate the implication that all of Loki’s “newb” followers got here because-Hiddlesmut and the fact that they READ about GODSPOUSERY and decided, “That seems like a freakin’ fantasticly fun thing. Let’s get going on that.” I’m not a godspouse, but I wouldn’t have delved into a relationship on the level that I have with a deity (without thinking I should be medicating mysef, that is) if I hadn’t found a support structure within the Heathen community. I had a-for all intents and purposes-mystical experience. After the experience I frantically began searching for others in the same boat. The first person I found was a Lokean Godspouse and I am CERTAIN Loki had a hand in directing me to someone who was capable of helping me kindly and sanely in what can be a bumpy road toward Spirit Work and generally existing in a larger world. I would like to know how many people are out there that found the cloaked world of Spirit Work this way? Why do we not hear from more of these people?
    I have posted about intimate things which have happened to me during meditation sessions and with Loki Himself here on my blog, and I do so because I’m trying to feel my way through my experiences and also because I want others out there to see that even if they are experiencing something beyond the pale it isn’t necessarily scary.
    I want other people who feel like they are going crazy to realize that they aren’t alone. I guess Crazy loves company as much as Misery. I do agree that there are some over the top people though. Even I don’t share everything. I keep some of my UPG to myself for various reasons, though I don’t let something being risqué stop me from posting.
    Maybe I don’t have my sense of humor intact as much as it should be, but I am tired of reading these rants about how Lokean Godspouses are all coming off as wakadoos. More who AREN’T wackadoos need to pipe up of that is the case.

    • As someone that has vows to Loki I can honestly say that I have had a similar rant about the insane number of people entering into that level of relationship with Himself. Seriously. There is a HUGE abundance of it and it gives everyone that has that level of devotion to Him this kind of name. And it is IMO shameful to further the reputation of ‘BATSHIT” in regard to Loki. I think Beth has the right of it, details between a person and their deity are just that. and should be kept that way to a degree. And perhaps those that have vows to Him and are more serious about them keep quiet for a valid reason. Yes. I blog about my commitment to Him and what it entails how i fulfill it but I don’t scream details to the heavens.I would suggest to you that some of us are longer in this faith and in life than others and have learned when keeping our mouths shut is the wiser thing to do

      • I get what you are saying. There is keeping the details to yourself, which is cool and each to their own in that regard, but there is also making something inaccessible. For example, no, there is no need for people to talk about explicit sexual fantasies and things of that nature, but there are valid parts of Godspousery that are sexual that someone might have questions about or want to know more about and if they aren’t part of a group of rational down to earth people they can converse with they are left sifting through the internet to find something to compare their experiences to. Maybe that’s just a sign of my own insecurities, that it makes me feel better to know there are others out there having this or that problem. I’m a talker. I like hashing things out, but shoving everything off color into a box and saying I, as a serious Lokean, should keep my mouth shut about it to keep up standards and appearances (half of which I don’t care to keep up normally) seems limiting to me. I think the subject should be approached seriously and with an eye toward being respectful, but I think that there should be reputable information sources to go to. I’ve heard horror stories about tumbler (I haven’t ventured there) and other online forums that I, personally, am not a part of where you’re not the cool kid if you’re not a Godspouse and things like that. I think that is as off putting as the next person, but to me that is all the more reason that serious practitioners put the info out that they are comfortable discussing. I would love to see a book published about Godspousery-academic or otherwise- that would give people who find themselves in a position where they are dealing with a serious, long term, devotional practice some sort of ballast to touch base with.

      • That I can agree with, but honestly I don’t think tha twill happen for a while. the experiential level is just not there overall. at least not that we can dig out and say “OK this is what the deal is” without it looking liek something else entirely

  14. Being new in thought to all things heathen, a lot of the things you pointed out, I had no clue on. I have a great respect for Loki, see him in myself often enough. Not in the creepy dildo way, but in the evolving and testing way… I guess… I would love to know more about you and your sense of how things work. Is there a way to ask you questions in a private forum?

  15. In regards to bridal mysticism, I think it exists is to reiterate the sacredness of everything, even the things we consider mundane. There is magic in the simple acts of love that we do everyday, whether it’s cooking for our families or lighting a candle to our ancestors. Being in Loki’s presence as a part of everyday life and His enjoyment of simple mortal pleasures is its own lesson in mindfulness. And yes, enjoyment of sexuality can be part of that; I think that when all the focus is on sex and not spirituality is the line where that becomes problematic.

    I’ll concede that my perspective is a more HeathaPagan, panenthestic one as opposed to a straight Heathen one. I only identify now as a heathapagan because I joined the Troth and have generally been treated well there, so I am more comfortable identifying with heathenry than I was before.

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  17. Good article. I don’t work with Loki because that’s just a bit more unpredictability than I’d like in my life. There is a weird culture that has grown up around Loki and I think you’re right in that it has a lot to do with christianization in the US. Some people just have a hard time getting past having “good” gods and “evil” gods. I very much dislike the demonization of Loki, I do my best to never call him a god of chaos. I prefer to think of him as a catylyst for change. I’m glad someone out there can sincerely worship him, I can’t, I’m afraid he would damage my calm. It would be nice if some of the more rediculous aspects (magic dildos) could find their way out of Loki worship and he could be seen as just another god of the pantheon.

  18. Thank you for taking the time to write your blog ‘Sacred Iceland’ and share your thoughts and experiences with us. I am new to Heathenry and still learning where my place is in it. I have never heard of some of the ideas you discussed, but now feel forewarned and forearmed–at least about those aspects. I appreciate your honesty and even your sense of humor. I am also looking forward to hearing more about what you are learning in school in Iceland. I feel blessed that I ran across your blog; you seem sincere and level-headed with a lot of common sense, but I like most of all your passion for your spiritual path, balanced with humility and respect for others.

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  21. Very interesting indead. You give a really good analysis of the real diferences between the crazy-assed fiction found in the internet and real worship. Speaking of which: where can I find more information on the worship of Loki? Can someone can point me in the right direction?

    • If you’re looking for modern worship practices in a traditional heathen sense, I would recommend Our Troth vol. II and Teutonic Religion by Kveldulf Gundarsson (that second one can be purchased as an e-book on Freya Aswynn’s website I believe…). If you’re more interested in the Northern Tradition, I know that Galina Krasskova and Raven Kaldera have a few books out that give their own worship guidelines. My book “Playing With Fire” is going to be out some time this year (though it’s been like pulling teeth trying to get that project to move forward) and is going to cover some of my own practices/opinions and the scant bit of evidence I’ve found to support Loki’s worship in the past (though there is some!)

  22. Very well thought out piece of writing. I do wish you would consider why you thought including the fact that a person happened to be transsexual was relevant if you simply disagree with their particular devotional practices. The fact that someone is trans* really should not reflect on their credibility.

  23. This has been a great and interesting read. My anti-Lokian encounters have been mostly different from what is posted here.

    I have found that one big argument is that “I will not honour or worship a god who brings about the destruction of the Aesir or is so evil as to kill Baldur.”
    So often missing the point of these tales, and if they are even true.
    I am Lokian and proud. I am slightly chaotic and a little mad at times, but understand that is not what Loki is just a part of. For me it is about a tempering force and a mirror on ourselves and others. For example in the Lokasenna, Loki accepts and admits his faults as they are pointed out by the other gods but turns the mirror and says “Point the finger all you like, you are no saint yourself”.

    Loki takes time, and energy I find above all the other gods I honour because I personally find him deeper and more complex than the others, in all respect. He is not predictable, so too are not his “children”.

    Thanks for this posting. Glad I found it.

    Lokir Leika-vllr

  24. I had come across this on a google post, and thought I would give it a read. I seem to have many different views as far as the post-Christian ideas and what I’m gathering your belief in Ragnarok is from just reading this. However, I do agree with you on most of your points as far as new Lokeans and the Marvel influence. For me, I don’t mind Lokeans; I do, however, mind Hiddle-worship. I do have a Tumblr, and it gets ridiculous with people attacking me for posting things of Odin or any of the Aesir or Vanir. One instance, I got asked once out of the blue, “If you worship Odin, and he’s a terrible father, what does that say about you?”…This made me furious that someone is calling me out for simply posting a picture of Odin. I explained that Odin wasn’t Loki’s father and about the whole blood-brother thing. I got told that because it didn’t happen in the movie, I was a, “dumbass.” I believe that, while I am a folkish Heathen, everyone has their own interpretation and their own way. For me, I believe less in God worship and more in following honorable ways of my ancestors (to which the Gods and Goddesses are apart of). My focus tends to be more on my deeds now as far as taking care of my community and being a good person. I just don’t like that when someone is a new Heathen, it’s almost as if the new Asatruers feel like they have to listen to Amon Amarth, claim being a Viking, and have to grow a beard and Lokeans feel like they have to constantly be Hiddle-tards. I think it gets disrespectful to both sets of followers. Great entry.

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  26. The one who wrote this is one of the very few followers of Loki that I have great respect for. This was well put together, well thought out, and brought up many great points. Many of you who read this could benefit from paying attention to what was said here and what this writer has to say in the future.

    Rev.William Shelbrick, OAC
    AFA Gothi, AFA Folkbuilder

  27. I feel like I should feel bad about my love for Marvel!Loki. I keep do keep my love for comics and my religion seperate though. VERY different things, though they can coexist.

  28. You’re points are very true and valid. Great job with your post. I’ve had a facination with Loki and the rest of the northern gods for quite a few years now. I have just recently gained Loki as my patron, and I have a feeling that the beginning of our relationship is well underway. In my opinion, Loki is a highly complicated God that has been misunderstood and misrepresented and sadly disrespected.Loki is the embodiement of change for changes own sake. Further more, as far as I’m concerned, the Loki who appears in marvel comic books and movies is totally different to the Loki of actual Norse mythology although I do like them both. I know better than to confuse the two. I personally will continue to worship Loki regardless of his rep and what other people thinks of me.

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  30. I love this article, it is well thought out and very helpful!! Personally I’ve always thought Loki was an incredibly intelligent person with a wicked sense of humour and someone you’d love to have at a party… He inspires me to believe in myself and whatever I can achieve, and that more things are possible than perhaps I’m allowing myself to think… and, of course, to remember my sense of humour and sometimes just do things.

    Being female, I do actually find the actor quite hot, but he is an actor, not Loki… I can’t quite imagine Loki reciting romantic poetry. Although some wicked limericks might happen… :-)

  31. Terrific article! I have to admit parts of it made me howl with laughter, (I apologize if you did not intend it that way.) I am curious about working with Loki for various reasons,(For the record, I have not seen the movie Thor and Loki does not appeal to me because of Chaoticness, though chaos in general for some reasons does appeal to me on some levels.)

    Rokkatru is something that appeals to me more then Asatru in alot of ways, though am not opposed to learning more Asatru (Mostly on my own because 1.) the closest group is quite far from me. 2.) They seem to be quite disparaging of people from the at large pagan community, of which I have been a part of.

    I admit that due to alot of Lokeans expressing that a lot of heathens are against anything Loki has been a reason why I’ve been reluctant in seeking out other Heathen groups, and have seen some rather explosive discussions on the topic in the various Heathen groups on sites like Fetlife.com, but this article has given me hope that if I do work with Loki at some point and do seek out a heathen group, that they won’t necessarily reject me just because I work with Loki.

    Going to someone’s place where Loki isn’t welcome: I get you on respecting people’s opinions..lol I mean when I 1st heard about himself I didn’t want to deal with him at all, (I have been mostly interested in Greek recon/eclectic witchcraft pretty much since my start down the Pagan path. And only within the last 3-4 years have I been actively interested in heathen associated paths.) He sounded a bit much to me, both when I read about him in discussion groups as well as the internet research that I had done on him (No I don’t consider internet to be a reliable resource, but I treat it as a means to familiarize myself with the subject.) But somewhere along the lines he began to make sense to me, then slowly began to appeal to me. I do get why people are uncomfortable around him, I mean you get people who would rather slit their throats then work with Odin, or Hecate, or Kali, etc. That being said however, I would have severe misgivings about going to someone’s place that was refusing to have anything to do with Loki (Or for that matter any other deity/being that I work with.) But it would depend on various factors like whether that person calmly and rationally explains their reasons and why I am going there in the 1st place. And as long as they don’t try to change my point of view. (I do have a WTF/LOL moment when someone who works with Odin says they won’t have anything to do with Loki and lists the reasons why…I mean Odin has about as much of a trickster/chaotic associated reputation as Loki.)

    Godspouses: another topic that I am very intrigued about, though I rather like the more general term: Godbothered. Though when trying to find more info on the subject and finding more posts about Tom Hiddleston, (Who I guess is mildly cute but does not fit my mental image of Loki at all! ) and a bunch of other fluffybunnyish like material..(Well maybe not even fluffybunnyish, because many of the FB’s I’ve known in the Pagan community were at least dedicated to their beliefs, and could be somewhat serious…if a bit space cadet like.)

    But anyways…I just wanted to write a few comments got alittle carried away. I’ve got to get back to writing my story:)

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